Dear all,
We just received an anonymous tip-off that there might be a massive doghunt in the Petaling Jaya area today (17th October). Whether the source is reliable or not, it pays to be on the alert. Please keep your community dogs indoors where they are safe. Please do not allow your petdogs (or cats) to roam freely outside your house compound.
The best would be to keep your dogs and cats inside your house, if that’s possible.
The dog and cat pound for MBPJ is PAWS Animal Shelter. If your dog or cat is missing after today, please go to the shelter to retrieve your dog/cat when it opens tomorrow. PAWS is closed on Wednesdays.
Our disclaimer holds.
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100 responses to “VERY URGENT: Doghunt in PJ on 17th October (please protect your dogs)”
Goodness me….already having goosebumps…..please have mercy.
Oh no Roselin feeds lots of dogs in PJ Sek 17.. just sent her a text.
aThx for alerting. I feed them this morning & just read this!!!!
OMG I’m really scared now for my 6 puppies & the adult dogs
are always scared. Will check on them now
Hi, I read the following tweet from MBPJ councilor, Anthony
https://twitter.com/wheelchairant/status/258447887028080640
Comments?
Perhaps the MBPJ councilor would like to re-read the post. It clearly says: Whether the source is reliable or not, it pays to be on the alert. The intention of the post is to advise the PJ people to take care of their dogs and not to let them loose just in case the anonymous tip-off is true. There was no malicious intention at all. Thank you.
There is no truth in this notice. In future, pls verify notices like this with MBPJ councillors. In this day and age, it is really easy to find say Anthony Thanasayan on FB, it will help reduce people’s anxiety and worries, and reduce the propagation of alarmist emails/wall posts/tweets which are without basis. Thank you. > Medaline (DAP)
Thank you, Ms Medaline Chang. The anonymous tip-off came at 12.05am when most people would be asleep. Furthermore, there was no malice intended in the post if you would be so kind as to read it again. It is only asking people to take care of their animals IN CASE the tip-off is true.
Dear Kah Yein,
English may not be my strongest language, but i totally understood the message that was posted. It was mentioned that “….there MIGHT be a massive….”, so i understand it as “it may or may not happen”, like for example, “It MIGHT rain this afternoon”, it may rain or it may not rain. Correcto? I wonder whether if i would be lying too if i were to say this out loud……sigh. So difficult being human….. 🙂
I always believe, better be safe than sorry “whether the source is reliable OR not”. It’s just like, you may or may not want to get ready an umbrella because “it MIGHT rain this afternoon”. No obligations….and i don’t mean to cause panic to all ya…..Just to wrap up what i said, there is no malicious intention at all whatsoever (just in case) 😉
yeah, “IN CASE.” read that, people, and let it sink into your thick skulls,before you point fingers and accuse. ugh. those two words are not that difficult to understand you know.
Dear Medaline (DAP),
Councillor Anthony’s tweet is even more malicious than the “there might be…” alert from Animalcare when the learned councillor called the alert “a downright lie to defame council”, even though Animalcare specifically stated this was a tip off. When does announcing a tip-off constitute a lie?
A tip-off is a tip-off, does the councillor mean Animalcare fabricated the tip-off?
Reading and re-reading Animalcare’s alert, one clearly sees there is absolutely not a single whiff of “defamation” whatsoever to whosoever.
One clearly sees all Animalcare did was sending an alert out of kindness to protect pets and community animals. How does this constitute any action, explicitly or implicitly, “to defame council”. Is council so easily defamable by acts of kindness to our 4-legged friends in the community?
I opine, if the learned councillor has any self-respect, he would know he owes Animalcare an apology for the tweet.
Totally agree. They should shut their mouths and find more productive things to do rather than fight as if “teacher, he/she “say” me and i dont want to friend anymore!” Childish and immature.
Ms Medaline (DAP), May we ask, what is your position in MBPJ since you seem to be speaking on behalf of the council? And how do you know there was no truth in the notice? Did you ask the dogcatchers if there was an intended dog catching operation?
You expect us to believe that the council will tell us when they are carrying out a dog catching spree? You expect us to believe that they will say “YES, we are going to catch dogs today” if we ask them? I paid RM300 to get back one of the strays I was feeding!!
OK. Cheers. I replied his tweet with my observation too “an anonymous tip-off”
It’s very misleading for Anthony MBPJ councilor to say that the massive doghunt is a lie spread by various sources. It has been CLEARLY INDICATED in the posting that
“Whether the source is reliable or not, it pays to be on the alert.”
If the councilor can’t read or understand SIMPLE ENGLISH, please go back to school and freshen up his english knowledge!.
If there was a doghunt, some dogs would have probably been saved because they read this alert. If there was no doghunt, no harm done. People were just on the alert and perhaps most people who read this post would have kept their dogs inside. What’s the big deal, Mr Thanasayan? Don’t you have better things to do with your time? Like brush up your English?
My friend’s dog was caught by the dog-catchers yesterday. If only someone had alerted her (like in this post), she might have kept her dog inside or be more careful. I don’t see any problem with a post like this. It is only alerting people to be aware of a possible dog catching operation. The post even says the source has not been verified, so it’s up to readers to respond accordingly. I can say I heard from unconfirmed sources that there might be an earthquake here tomorrow, will you believe me? If you do and you take precautions and it doesn’t happen, it’s not my fault. Ms Madeline of DAP, may I suggest that all councils alert people on when they will be catching our dogs? Then my friend’s dog wouldn’t have been caught yesterday!!
Why should this Anthony be so upset about this posting? All Dr Chan did was to ask animal owners and caregivers to keep their animals indoor for fear that they may be rounded up by the dog catchers.
Dr Chan mentioned that the tip-off may be unreliable and it is for animal owners and caregivers themselves to take the necessary precautions.
We wouldnt expect the authorities to alert the public if a massive doghunt is about to take place, would we?
Katie
well it’s not like they would even care to do so.
Oh dear, I am sorry to have ruffled so many feathers. Just trying to help. The point is not in seeing whose English is better, is it? The point is that whether or not there is a “doghunt”, pet owners should be vigilant all the time anyway, and it’s dead easy these days to verify any information, and what is so wrong with trying to contain the sense of worry that plagues all pet owners whenever something like this message appears… Yes, the message is full of “what-ifs” and therefore my point is simple: verify and then spread. The same thing applies to those who happily spread all those “Eating Mentos and drinking Coke at same time will make your stomach explode” emails by using the excuse “better to be safe than sorry”. Verifying info just makes life easier and more pleasant for all of us, no? Oh and um, one can’t freshen up one’s English knowledge, one can “brush up on” one’s knowledge. But honestly, i am not here to pick a fight. I agree that Anthony was a little on the harsh side but I’m sure you all also understand that our councillors work very very hard and most of the time, receive very little appreciation and have to try to please ALL parties at the same time which is IMPOSSIBLE. There is also a lot of politics involved esp between all the animal lovers’ groups etc – you are more than aware I’m sure. Anyway, main thing is everyone’s trying to make a difference for the better, right? No offence taken by me, hope no offence taken by you guys who I know are all caring and passionate pet lovers. Yawl have a nice day now.
Medaline,
Could you be kind enough to alert the animal community the next time before a dog hunt is going to take place? Or could you please give us your contact details so that we can verify facts with you since you appear to be a more approachable person?
I saw no harm done in Dr Chan’s posting at all. I kept my dogs indoor, to be safe rather than be sorry and I am grateful to her for alerting us.
katie
The local municipal council does not have a good track record. MPAJ has been video’ed trespassing into private property to catch dogs. Call it dog hunt or what ever, the fact is that it happened.
if you did not notice there was already a DISCLAIMER in the post. and how long would it have taken to verify this piece of news? if it were true the doghunt would’ve been over even before it was verified, possibly.
Ms Medaline,
Your quote: I’m sure you all also understand that our councillors work very very hard and most of the time, receive very little appreciation and have to try to please ALL parties at the same time which is IMPOSSIBLE.
Which party or parties did your councilor please by writing that tweet?? Only himself? And you?
If you notice, nobody here has complained about this alert, whether true or not, so your worries about the alert creating anxiety is totally uncalled for. If ever, people are just thankful that there IS an alert and a well-intended one at that.
We are followers of this blog and we know AnimalCare does not simply report news without justified reasons to do so.
If your are speaking on behalf of DAP, elections are around the corner, my dear. Are you sure you want to step on everyone’s toes here?
READ. The anonymous tip-off came at 12.05am. With your proposed verification process, would there even be time to raise an alert if the news were true??
Besides it was already CLEARLY STATED that it MAY be true.
IF it were not, or if it were, verification could always be posted up later when that verification had been done.
I would say better be safe than sorry.
But in this context i hope you would try to understand the situation first before suggesting what has probably ALREADY been thought of and is CLEARLY MERE COMMON SENSE, which most people would have thought of beforehand.
Cynthia, quick question. Why was your friend’s dog caught? Was he/she not inside the house? Isn’t that risky? Sorry but I am not the one you should be pointing fingers at. Please don’t take your frustrations out on me. As for the earthquake, I will also check with the relevant sources (eg. USGS website) instead of spreading that widely. As I said, no offence taken. Am just trying to help.
so what if it were someone’s child who was kidnapped?
I think the council should definitely alert the people if there is to be a big dog hunt. It is the responsible thing to do. Also, no point asking all these questions and not getting the answers, why not direct them to the council? Just a thought.
Ms Madeline,
It is heartening to note that you agree that the council should alert the people if there is to be a big dog hunt.
But until such a policy is put in place, we have no choice but to rely on the grapevine for such news, whether it is reliable or unreliable.
We trust that your office can advise the Councilor to implement this in future.
Thank you.
should we hold you responsible for this suggestion then?
To the tweeterer, Which part of the post is a “malicious lie”? A. that it was an anonymous tip-off B. not sure sources reliable or not C. telling readers to keep their dogs safe D. telling people to collect their dogs from PAWS if caught. I cannot figure out which part is a malicious lie, actually… English lessons needed – yes!
Ms. Medaline,
i did not meant for MR. Councilor to brush up his english knowledge….He might have forgotten whatever he learned in school and i suggested for him to go back to school to freshen up his knowledge!
Ms Madeline & Mr Anthony, are you sure that there is no truth in that posting/alert/notice or whatever you like to call it?
Mr Anthony, you said in your tweet that animalcare is spearding vicious lie against the council. What if that person who “tip off” animalcare comes forward and show prove? Would that be a vicious lie against the council or animalcare?
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Dear Ms Medaline, i personally hear what you are trying to say, and i hope you could also open your heart to hear the plights of people who feels strongly about the welfare of the animals (pets & strays) in this country. Every individual is different and everyone is allowed to their own opinion. I just hope council and councilors would give TNRM a chance to proof it’s effectiveness by sparing areas where the residents apply to the council to spare the lives of these innocent souls and also penalise the owner/human and not the animals. The animals are just being themselves, being how nature has meant for them to be. They don’t even know that they are offending the humans. It’s sad when the wrong party are being penalised/killed for the actions of the other party that’s causing all the problem. I rest my case for today. Saving up my energy to focus on TNRM in my neighbourhood! Bless all of us to have good hearts and endless compassion! Good day to all and yourself Ms Medaline. Till then.
I heard this alert from my friend also. Luckily I kept all my dogs inside. I don’t care whether this alert is a rumour or true. I appreciate it, I would rather be safe than sorry.
Ms Medaline, we animal lovers appreciate such alerts. In what way are we giving you trouble if we just inform each other about it? What is your position?
Medaline, are you SURE the councils will need to inform or alert the public when there is a doghunt about to take place?! Is anyone here have received it before? I personally NO!
now if that’s not true, it would sound like a lie, wouldn’t it?
Medaline,
Ask yourself this, why is everyone reacting & being so cautious to such ‘tip-off’? Maybe because there is some truth in it. Personally I don’t see any harm in asking people to be careful with their animals when dog catchers are around. Whether the council is on a ‘doghunt’ or not, that is not important. God knows even when our pets are locked up at home, they are not safe. Just look at the recent case where the dog catchers trespassed into private homes to catch the dogs.
I have re-read the post and the tweet. I don’t see any lie in the post since the author has qualified that it is just a tip-off and that her sources may not be reliable. But I see defamation in the tweeter message. To call someone or an organisation a “liar” is defamatory. As a councilor who is supposed to serve the people, his tweet is very disappointing and only reflects badly on himself.
Dear Mr Anthony,
Vicious Lie?? Be careful when you tweet because your line there is defamatory and a slander against MyAnimalcare reputation. We animal lovers might set up a committee to put up a defamation suit against you.
Why is a councillor and a DAP member getting so defensive over this? Aren’t councillors supposed to represent the people? Councilman Anthony Thanasayan has overstepped his boundary by accusing Dr Chan of lying. I am also unable to understand why Medaline had to resort to pressuring Dr Chan. Clearly, she is doing it in her capacity as a DAP member or otherwise she would not have signed-off with a DAP. I suggest that all of us as should, as a group, deal with these two. Both should tender an apology to Dr Chan and Animalcare.
medaline, like everyone said this is like a weather forecast. MIGHT understand? there is nothing wrong in sharing information. its up to the reader to believe the info or not. i dont see the need to attack dr chan or animal care in this matter. you are comparing apples and oranges when u mentioned earthquake alert, mentos + coke? and looks like you dont even know what is happening around u… dog catchers are entering people’s homes. there was a press conference just last week. u need to do your homework.
Anyone of them dare to walk into my house or my property to catch my dog, they had better hope that they have sufficient medical insurance. Because I will be there waiting and I will not be unarmed. I have the right to protect my property and my dog is a member of my family. Step into my property and bare the consequences.
I think all dog owners should be alert all the time when it comes to protecting their pets. It is very irresponsible to let your pet out of the house without supervision. The case of dog catcher tresspassing is wrong but I believe it’s quite isolated. But I heard that the story is actually being twisted and it was actually a stray running into someone’s home and they have the permission to enter the compound. Is this true?
Hi Connie,
I am in full support of your suggestion to set up a committee to file a defamation suit against Mr. Anthony. Is about time we animal lovers take a bite at him rather than just barking away all the time. You wanna take the lead?
Hi Ironside 2,
We will do the necessary proceedings when the time comes. Thank you for your support.
yes these people DEFINITELY need some EDUCATION. please.
Who is spreading vicious lie here? Is it AnimalCare or 1 of the PJ councilor?
If there is no truth in the alert, why are you jumping up and down like kera kena belacan? Ironside 2 posted what if that person who tip off AnimalCare comes forward to show proof, what’s your respond to that? Are you going to step down as councilor?
I find it amusing, sad, and frustrating that councilor Thanansayan made the CHOICE to use the words, ” vicious lie spread…” “downright lie to defame council.” It is my understanding of the English language that in order to defame someone there has to be intent. The MBPJ successfully defamed themselves when they were caught *from my understanding* via videos, first hand witness accounts and logged police reports, treating animals poorly and over stepping/forgetting their boundaries.
Mr.Thanansayan obviously didn’t bother to read the message post in entirety nor did he bother to read the disclaimer reminder that was posted at the end of the message.
The fact that the city councilor reacted in such an inflamed manner would suggest that perhaps there may have been an ounce of truth in the “please keep your pet safe message.”
Sad that the keep your pet safe post received a nasty tweet yet posts where input, suggestions, and assistance receive nothing? It would seem to ME that the city councilor is in a position that would allow him and his constituents to do much to advance and advocate on behalf of animal welfare and rights in Malaysia and work collectively with the various small NGO’s to achieve a model status of how things can be done in a HUMANE, LAWFUL, COMPASSIONATE, manner. But instead… a childish reprimand tweet. 🙁
Medaline, when in the history did the councils alert the people of big dog hunt? What is the harm of sending out alerts if we received any tip-off ? Have you seen how cruel are the dogs treated? Have you heard that councils demand RM500.00 to get our dog release? They are making good money so do you think they will alert us.
My dog was captured and I had to pay the dogcatchers directly to release my dog after they did their rounds. They won’t let me take him earlier. They said have to finish their rounds first. He was so traumatized after that experience. I don’t care whether an alert is true or not, I want to be alerted so I can put my dog INSIDE my house now. Our poor dogs cannot even play in the garden now. The dogcatchers climb over our fence to catch them. The cases presented in the press conference are not the only cases. There have been others. People dare not report maybe because they are afraid of so-called councilors who jump to the defence of their dogcatchers and not willing to admit what they do. These councilors are only good at protecting their own jobs and position. They don’t serve the people. Just because of an alert like this, they kick up a fuss for nothing. Shame on such people!!
SHAME ON YOU, you selfish people!!!
I think all this fuss made them decide to call off the doghunt! Bring on the alerts then! We must make more noise!!
I am tickled that Ms Medaline is asking people to contact the council to ask if a doghunt would be carried out. As though they would tell us? Dogcatching is a money-making business here, what with private dogcatching companies coming in now. They are being paid by the number of dogs they catch. Attended the press conference and learnt about how it is done. Atrocious! Shameful!
I’m sorry. I’m an animal lover, i have had and still have pets currently, and i just know that they are more than merely ‘animals- who are unable to talk, who are weaker and smaller than us humans’. They are alive too. They care for their young, and their families too. They have feelings too. They can feel, and unfortunately most stray animals feel pain and fear in their lives mostly. Why? Because of people. We are one of the roots of their pain and fear.
To think that animal rights are useless or non-existent is just disappointing. It’s sad. Those who kill small insects, treat animals poorly, and think that it means nothing, they obviously just don’t understand how it feels for the animals.
Personally, as one of the many readers of this blog, i salute AnimalCare, Dr. Chan, and all the gracious and warm-hearted people who spend time and dedicate their energy, even a little for the wellbeing of animals.
And this is why i feel so angry, so so so angry at those who refuse to understand or accept that animals are breathing, living creatures like we are. I feel so uncontrollably angry and disappointed towards people who try to defame and attack others who have good and wholesome intentions for the benefit of the animals, such as the the tweeter discussed at great length, those who defend him and his party, people like i glum, and whoever else who just wants to present obstacles to welfare work like this.
They should have a taste of what many animals suffer to make them understand how it feels like. I feel so angry seeing all this happen, and i don’t understand how there are such people in the world.
For those of you who do not know, there are efforts to revamp the system & to build dog parks in Selangor for the sake of the community & aside from this, spay clinics are underway plus the adoption of catch-neuter-release programme in the pipeline. This is a collaborative effort headed by Anthony Thanasayan in MBPJ when he started CAT – Canine Advisory Team comprising of councillors from all over Selangor (major districts & towns), animal welfare NGOs, Department of Veterinary Services, Malaysian Kennel Association, Malaysian Small Animal Veterinarians & a few more but as I told Kah Yein today that sources must be checked before she puts up notices of this sort because if you can’t name your informer, chances are, it could be the same person or a person from the same group of people who are undermining the efforts of CAT. There were & still are, malicious efforts that stemmed from a personal vendetta on Anthony, to remove him as councillor, in which time when he was not re-appointed for 3 months, we lost precious time in moving forward with the plans. They are not just bent on removing him, they are also spreading lies about him & about MBPJ. This is by people who are bent on being vindictive & vengeful to put him out of a job. Anthony doesn’t just help animals but he was instrumental in restoring the living conditions of the hardcore poor people of Kota Damansara PPR Flats because I am working alongside with him in it.
I understand all your sentiments perfectly & I would feel the same way but getting defensive or offensive will not solve issues with CONTRACTED dog-catchers. It’s been contracted before his time. If you are given an opportunity to change things in this country, you need to start with the local councils & to do that, you need to work with them, not against them. You need to work to change laws, practices, rules that were put in place before the time of Anthony who only came in after 2008. He has to right the wrongs in the dealings of the past. He alone can’t change things but if those who continue to put MBPJ in a bad light will make things worse for CAT and YOU (dog owners). I sit in the panel & I’m able to objectively inject my views, comments & suggestions to improve the situation but having emotional outbreaks, threats of lawsuits & speculative notices will only send everyone into a disarray. This is the time to get our act together because as one NGO rant & rave about what councils are doing, do you also know what they are doing to councillors? Do you know why councils would not work with certain NGOs? There has got to be reasons & I believe all of you are sincerely helping the strays & uniting as a community but with all the lies & malice thrown at MBPJ & Anthony by a certain NGO leader, don’t you think he has the right to his opinion too? MBPJ is not dog-catcher & dog-catchers are not MBPJ so causing others to think MBPJ is behind dog-catching is not a responsible thing to do without verifying with MBPJ. Anthony is reachable at all times & you can check with him.
Our reactions can be justified by dog-lovers but to the authorities in certain councils who are NOT dog-lovers nor have any compassion towards dogs, you all are giving them more reasons to get dogs off the streets & out of your own homes. Why give them the reason to? Do you know that as head of CAT, he can change a lot of things in all the other councils in Selangor? Why work against the people who are working for you? The government of Selangor has approved this team & will take into consideration everything that stems from there. I would need your input & suggestions to put forward to the committee so that we can see change & do away with inhumane dog-catching methods for good. We are not here to fight people or to pick on one’s language ability. We are here to fight for a better tomorrow, for a place where our dogs can be dignified, a community where everyone learns about compassion & care for the less fortunate, be they dogs or humans. It starts with us. Not with brandishing people or belittling authority who can make a difference. Work with us on this & stop heeding to malicious intent of those who like to cause trouble. Can’t you see they spin the same thing day in & out but haven’t a good thing to produce? We need to change in order to see change in what’s happening around us. And I’m very sorry for all the bad encounters you have had with dog catchers. They are paid contractors so until & unless we change local laws, the vicious cycle continues.
Ms Pamela Lim, I’m afraid you are barking up the wrong tree with your very long comment. Obviously, you are unfamiliar with the work of AnimalCare. They do not “rant and rave” or criticise the councils for having to do their jobs. Dr Chan has repeated told us that she speaks with the councilor in her area and work together. You might want to look at this: http://animalcare.my/2012/10/07/a-chat-with-an-mpsj-councilor/ (and get your facts right before you write). She has been appealing for the council to spare their ear-notched animals (spayed-neutered), but it has always been a “NO”. Yet, she continues to work at getting more people to spay-neuter and animals so that the complaining would reduce. No one is “brandishing people or belittling authority” here. What started off as just a harmless alert to the readers about a POSSIBLE doghunt based on an anonymous TIP-OFF whose sources is UNCONFIRMED (and explicitly stated to be so) received a very harsh, uncalled-for and childish tweet from your learned councilor. No one would have further commented had he not tweeted accusing the alert to be “defamatory” and a “malicious lie”. A simple, “No, there is no doghunt scheduled today. Next time, please check with us” would have suffice and retained some semblance of dignity for his goodself, but now, it looks like he has defamed himself publicly! Anyone with even a tiny bit of intelligence can see that the alert was well-intended and totally absent of malice. How does he expect to win the favour of any animal-lover if he reacts so childishly over a harmless alert like this? And if indeed your learned councilor has been holding office for so many years, pray tell, WHAT has he done? Why has he been chastised by other NGOs in their respective forums? Has the situation improve in his constituency? It has only got worse. So, don’t just talk, Ms Lim. If you have big plans, show us what you can do. We’re waiting.
Ms Pamela,
Reading Dr Chan’s posting again and again, the only intention I can gather from the posting was to alert dog owners and caregivers to keep their dogs indoor for fear of possible capture by cat-catchers. She clarified that the source may or may not be accurate.
I do not detect any sign of malice or ill intent against anyone by Dr Chan in her posting.
A simple suggestion was made by someone to Ms Madeline yesterday that the Councilor should alert the people whenever there is to be a big dog hunt. Since you sit in the CAT committee, you may perhaps bring forth this suggestion to the committee for implementation.
Thank you.
katie
Hmmm.. Pamela, why do you see the need to defend Anthony? People here are only reacting to his overly harsh tweet. All these could have easily be avoided if he was civil about it.
A dog park is nice to have but there is more pressing issue he as councilman & president of CAT needs to address. For example unscrupulous private dog catchers. Yes, these contract were awarded out before his time but then PR has been in power for over 4 years. Has he put forward any plans to stop this? If yes, maybe he can share with the tax paying dog lovers.
Hi Pamela,
Such a long story written by you. I wonder how many of the readers here in this blog knows what you are talking about. This forum on this ‘ALERT’ on possible doghunt, what has it got to do with you or how it can undermine Anthony ‘THE GREAT’ as you have projected him to be?
What has this ‘ALERT’ got to do with the people in Kota Damansara? No one in this blog said anything about what he has done or not done in Kota Damansara helping the hardcore poor. No one here is interested in what you and Anthony has been doing. If you’re working along side with him and how great and how much he has done to help the people, this blog is not interested. And this is not a blog for your propanganda.
All Dr. Chan did was to post up a simple tip-off which was meant to be harmless. Now because of people like you, Medaline and Anthony, this has escalated into such an ugly scene. In my earlier posting yesterday, saying what if the informer were to come forward to show proof, what would the 3 of you do?
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Dear Ms Pamela
Seems like you are making lengthy ranting totally out-of-context with what has transpired here in this posting.
Since you like to write so much comment about councillor Anthony, can you kindly comment on councillor Anthony’s tweet with regards to his statement “Not just heresay but a downright lie to defame council” in connection with Animalcare’s alert.
The topic is Animalcare’s alert and the learned councillor’s tweet.
Looking forward to your valued on-topic comment of the above, and not more ranting and rambling on off-topic issues. Thank you.
Ms Pamela Lim and Ms Medaline Chang,
The informant who gave me the tip-off has offered you both to contact him/her (please see comment by Guan Gong). If you could kindly reply to his comment by leaving your contact numbers, he/she will contact you both. The councilor who tweeted might also wish to contact him/her. Kindly do that before you pass further comments about my alert being unsubstantiated. The alert was posted with good intentions. Kindly be informed also that we do not simply put up posts unless we have good reasons to do so. Thank you.
Dear Pamela,
What are you trying to write here? After reading your comment, I actually do not know what you are trying to put forward. You are totally out of context, it makes three of you. Birds of …. no I cant dishonor the birds. 3 to start an English night class? any takers?
Yeah, humans have their career, their status, cars, houses, property, money, some even have the world wrapped around their little finger.
What do animals have? What do stray animals have? Most of them live in drains, in bushes, they have to look for shelter when it rains, they have to learn to cross roads or die, they contract so many diseases, they dig rubbish for food, and they reproduce and reproduce and their babies go through the same thing.
They need food, they are hungry. Some need to feed their young. But when they try to look for food where it is found in restaurants and such, people throw hot water at them. People poison them. People kick them and chase them with sticks.
Some baby animals never receive the warmth and comfort of their mother. Some die because they are too small and weak to take care of themselves. Some get diseases. Some are eaten.
And that’s only stray animals, what about animals bred to be slaughtered? Animals hunted mercilessly and cruelly for their skin, meat, fur?
Some of you just don’t understand. Some of you just refuse to see these things.
Yeah, you have your career, your life, your family. Some of you live so luxuriously.
What if you were them? How would it feel like if you received even a little care, a bit of food, or some shelter, or perhaps being to sit in someone’s porch when it rains without being chased away, even for a while till the rain stops? How would you feel if someone offered you food when you’re starving, and have a family to feed? What if someone let you look after your litter of baby animals in their bushes, and not take them away from you and dump them in a dustbin and leave you frantically trying to smell them out and worried because the second you went away to look for food to feed your babies, someone took them away because they were “dirty”?
How would you feel?
If you could feel what they feel, you’d be dedicating at least a little bit of your time, energy or doing anything to help animals in need. You really would, if you wanted to. You’d find a way, somehow, to contribute just a little, even if you led a really busy life and there were factors standing in the way. Good and kind thoughts help too, although you can’t see them.
But if you are someone who is jealous or just in plain disagreement or dislikes all of this, yes you are entitled to your own opinions but please dislike and be jealous or indifferent silently.
These people are already doing so much, for what they believe is right and is in alignment with their principles. They already face enough difficult people, difficult times and other difficulties in the course of dedicating themselves to this.
So if you don’t want to help them, at least please don’t make their lives more difficult.
As George Washington Carver once said, “How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will have been all of these.”
I just heard from a reliable/unreliable source.
HUGE amounts of dog snacks and toys might to be given away at Times Sq tomorrow from 11am – 3pm! this is in conjunction with the date being 18th October 2012 !! Spread the word !
**PS: I will not be held responsible should any parties find themselves wandering around Times Sq looking for giveaways**
Now, would you guys go ahead and just blindly spread the word, OR find out if there is any truth behind the advertisement?
Be forewarned, everyone. December 21, 2012 – end of the world. *Please be on the alert, though I cannot verify my sources* Now, how would you react to this? Some have prepared life-survival skills and kits to face this impending catastrophe, some share what they have done on their blogs. Some are laughing over the whole thing dismissing it as an old wives’ tale. We are intelligent creatures, Mr Councilor and Ms Medaline. No need to get all worked up over a small matter like this. Get a life.
Wow! It was just an alert about a POSSIBLE doghunt… There was no panic in PJ yesterday, was there? Did the councilor have to react so defensively (and in the process, defame himself?!!)? But I beg to differ with some opinions here, while the councilor does need English lessons, first he needs to be taught some good manners!!
I work with a government department and know what goes on in MBPJ and the so-called Canine Advisory Team. NGOs are kept out and only sycophants are on board. You say NGOs are on the team, I would like to know Pamela Lim, has Animalcare been invited to sit on the team? The answer would be a NO. The recent dialogue with the Department of Veterinary Services and the deputy agriculture and agro-based industry minister was due to the efforts of these NGOs that you are castigating in your post. Your councilor friend was not invited for the dialogue and I heard that he gate crashed. If your claim that he was spearheading animal welfare issues were true, he would have been invited as well, but why wasn’t he? He was also not invited to another dialogue with the minister of housing and local government which all other NGOs attended. Why? Recently several government departments sat together to formulate local council by-laws on licensing. All the other NGOs were there. The advisory team was yet again not invited. So looks like its only you who’s claiming the team is making headway when they ministries and government departments don’t seem to think so. And you are ranting so much because of a dog catching alert?
I wouldn’t mind if the dog catchers come over to where I’m staying. This is because there are some dog owners who let their dogs roam freely at night and those dogs like to do their “business” right outside my front gate. With that said, I would not just sit down and do nothing if the council and/or dog catchers climb into their respective house to catch them. No matter how angry or annoyed I am to the dog and the owner, it is simply against the law. First, for trespassing and second, for theft.
BTW, has anyone have the thought that the hunt could be/maybe cancelled due to this posting?
*please take note that i said “Could Be” and “Maybe”. No malice or defamation intended.
Let me put myself in the learned councilor’s shoes and try and understand what he is saying (what we don’t seem to understand!). He claims that the alert (that there MIGHT be a doghunt in PJ) is a ‘downright lie to defame council’. Which part of it is defaming? That the council conducts doghunts? Or that the council MIGHT conduct doghunts on October 17, 2012? Or, could he be saying that whenever anyone says his council conducts doghunts, we are defaming the council? If he is, then hallelujah, brothers and sisters, the councilor is saying they do not conduct doghunts!! So the next time your people conduct a doghunt, can we hold you to task, Mr Councilor?
I am a silent reader of this blog and would rather not post comments but I will make an exception this time because I see a need. Speaking for myself (and I think also for many readers here), we support AnimalCare because since it started, Dr Chan and her team have been providing good SERVICE to many, many rescuers and animal lovers. To the Councilor, Medaline and Pamela, can you see why nobody is supporting you?
yeah, exactly why i chose to comment this time too, although i’m a silent reader as well.
As many readers would agree there is nothing defaming or malicious in Dr Chan’s posting on ‘alert there might be a doghunt in PJ’. Anyone and everybody who cares for the wellbeing and safety of pets or stray/street animal may it be the pet’s owners or caregivers appreciated the alert. It will be a mayhem of anxieties and worries for pet’s owners to find their pet(s) missing and there has been no alerts of doghunt whatsoever. Thank you Dr. Chan for the alert ‘it’s better be safe than sorry’
The most mind boggling issue that come to mind is that the ‘reactions’ of Mr. Councilor, Madam Medaline and Ms Pamela Lim. Why so defensive. So there was no doghunts yesterday so what the rantings is all about? From what I gathered from the ‘facts’ here is that Mr Councilor will readily give out information of future doghunts by just giving him a phone call.
The doghunts activities and schedules should be more transparent from now and public alert issue out to the public via today’s day and age methods of communications and that complaint(s) had been lodged by a resident(s).
Ms Pamela,
This is what you wrote: MBPJ is not dog-catcher & dog-catchers are not MBPJ so causing others to think MBPJ is behind dog-catching is not a responsible thing to do without verifying with MBPJ. Anthony is reachable at all times & you can check with him.
What on earth are you rambling about here? If MBPJ is not the dog-catcher, what has this alert got to do with Anthony? And why did he even react to the alert with his tweet?
If “MBPJ is not dog-catcher”, then why should we reach Anthony to check about dog-catching activities?
Maybe you too need English lessons?
Hi All,
I am the one who tip off Dr. Chan on the dog catching that is suppose to take place on the 17/10. I have evident to show that there was a dog catching operation intended on that day. Maybe because of this “alert” in AnimalCare & MDDB, the operation is called off.
If Pamela, Medaline and Anthony thinks I am bull shitting here, please leave me your contact numbers and I will call you all. Now please stop saying what Dr. Chan posted is a lie.
Call my bluff.
Dear Guan Gong, I verified an alert with a MBPJ councillor and informed this blog that no such exercise was taking place. I DID NOT CALL Dr Chan a liar. I did not intimidate anyone. In my opinion, the responsible thing to do was to quell the fear and concern that was being propagated by the said notice. I do not see the need for an apology as I have done nothing wrong. Certain parties decided to jump and bay for blood that this was political interference, and there was even a FB “threat” (something like “this will be the last time these people interfere in animal rescue/welfare issues”; this would prob be solid enough evidence for some sort of legal action if I felt inclined, but I don’t), and a whole lot of insinuations and speculations and downright slander at a particular FB page, which you can read for yourself. From one particular issue (whether the notice was “true” or not), it has mushroomed into a whole gamut of conspiracy theories and defamatory comments (linking me to (name withheld), and of him being my “mentor”??? Jeez, what are these people imbibing?) and how I was doing what I did (on “someone’s orders”), I have to say I tried to stick to what I was saying but perhaps it was too much to expect. I was responsible enough to inform animal lovers that the was not a dog hunt, but it appears it’s just easier to believe there was one and villify the council, after all someone has to be “correct” and someone always will have the last word. I was insulted by all sorts of people who stood up for MDDB because I apparently “attacked” an NGO that did wonderful things, let me stress again for the umpteenth time that your wonderful work and selflessness was never doubted by me or anyone else, and that I NEVER said one negative word regarding the work you have done and still do. If anyone of you can point out where I said anything NEGATIVE against your NGO’s work and Dr. Chan please be fair to me and Pamela, if nothing else and help to stop this anger and some of the misdirected misgivings amongst your circle. I will not give out my number in this public forum, and do not believe I am the right person for you to direct your complaint to. Do liaise with MBPJ and Anthony, cos after all, all I did was verify it with the right source and inform the blog where the notice was posted accordingly. I do not represent MBPJ nor am I an elected rep. I am a responsible citizen and was performing a public service action. If anyone wants to sue me for being a member of a political party, go ahead. I am beyond trying to figure out how telling this blog’s admin that the notice was not a genuine one could have led to a full-blown tirade of how the evil political parties are trying to somehow control/intimidate animal acitivist groups. This issue isn’t one that will go away so the sooner the authorities and civil society groups work together, the better it will be for all – humans and animals. I am still shaking my head. Dr Chan, over to you. I have been nothing but civil and professional about this whole issue, but I am getting slightly annoyed now. If you have a bone to pick with Anthony, that’s between your group and him, but please don’t drag me into your personal tiffs. Again, Dr Chan, my best. Have a nice day.
Dear Ms Medaline,
Thank you for your very long comment. I shall only reply to the parts directed at me.
I have only posted two comments to you:
(1) To explain that I posted the alert out of good intentions and that no malice had been intended.
(2) That IF you wish to contact the person who informed me of the alleged doghunt, he/she has offered to speak with you.
I have also posted all your comments except one that was irrelevant to this post. So, I do not see how I have not been “fair” to you.
You wrote that you wish to tell the admin of this blog that “the notice was not a genuine one”. Correct me if I am wrong, but I assume the “notice” refers to my alert? My alert mentioned that I had received an anonymous tip-off that there might be a doghunt in the Petaling Jaya area on 17th October. How is that “not genuine” when I was telling the truth? I really did receive the tip-off. And since you repeatedly say it is not genuine, now you could verify it if you would let my informant contact you. He/She will tell you that he/she really tipped me off and maybe even the source of that information. Furthermore, I also did not mention who would be carrying out the doghunt. If there was no such doghunt, well and good. If there was, at least dog-owners and feeders would have been prepared and would have kept their dogs indoors. So, in what way was the “notice” not genuine?
As for your last remark to me, I have no bone to pick with anyone. There are many animal caregivers who seek our help every day and I would much rather direct my energy and attention to them.
I also noticed that you have written a fair bit directed at a certain NGO and their FB page. I would appreciate it very much if you kindly redirect these remarks to the correct source as it does not concern us here at all.
I am sure you are aware that if you post anything in a public forum, others would have access to it and we just have to be prepared for comments and consequences, positive or otherwise. Similarly, my well-intentioned alert had also drawn flak from some quarters (!), support from others who appreciate the alert. We would have to take it all in our stride.
Thank you.
Dear Ms Madeline,
Kindly allow me to suggest this if I may, so that this matter can be settled and laid to rest once and for all.
Why dont you provide Dr Chan your contact number in private so that she can forward it to the person who tipped her about the dog-catching operation on 17th October 2012? The person can then contact you directly to explain how he/she got to know about the dog-catching operation.
Thank you.
Katie
Dear Ms Medaline
In reply to your quote: “In my opinion, the responsible thing to do was to quell the fear and concern that was being propagated by the said notice.”
Fear and concern will ONLY be quelled when this inhumane act stops. For good.
Perhaps you and team should be working towards this direction.
Dear Ms Medaline,
In my opinion, the responsible thing for you to do now is to humbly offer your apology to DR.Chan as there is prove that a tip off was received, which means a doghunt was planned. Looks like you are backing off when the truth surface. Hoping to get out as an innocent party ?
Talking about being RESPONSIBLE sigh….
Hi Med,
You didn’t call Dr Chan a liar but you openly and outright said that “there is no truth in this notice” in your 1st posting. Doesn’t that constitute to calling her a liar?
Anyway, so much have been said in this forum and whatever that is needed to be said has been said.
If at this point where I am prepared to show you prove of what I tip off Dr Chan is true and still you can’t and won’t accept it as there is truth in it then I have nothing left to say. Your action speaks for yourself. I don’t have to spell it out.
In spite of been called a liar and all, Dr. Chan, you did not reveal my identity. For that, I, thank you and I salute you and I apologise for taking so long to step forward to clear your good name. My apology.
Good night.
Dear Guan Gong,
Thank you so much for alerting us about the dog hunt. Without you, many dogs may have been abused if not terminated on 17.10.2012.
I hope Medaline Chang, Pamela Lim and Anthony Thanasayan give their phone numbers and apologise to Dr Chan for calling her a liar.
yeah. those people didn’t reply our comments here.
Why are all these random anonymous people villifying me without identifying themselves anyway? It’s just not very civil, is it? Dr Chan, thank you for posting all my comments so far (except one). Have a nice day.
uh, i will not identify myself just because you don’t like me being anonymous, thank you VERY MUCH. I have the right to be anonymous, ms medaline.
dont you have better things to do such as VERIFYING the doghunt plan? as you so STRONGLY insisted upon its verification much earlier didnt you?
I for one, will always be grateful for any tip-offs, whether they materialise or not, if it means keeping all dogs safe. So thank you Dr. Chan.
Just wanted to lighten up the tense moment here…..I seem to see the word “doughnut” every time i read the word “doghunt”! Anyone else having this funny thing? Maybe there’s something wrong with my eyes…. >.< Gotta check my spectacles…. Good day everyone!
Medaline, why do you keep on insisting that the ‘notice was not a genuine one’? What’s the basis of your allegation?
Hi all,
Have been reading all the comments and lots of things have been said. I’ll try to put some of the things mentioned here into some kind of focus.
Focus 1:
This post became so “hot” because of the way Mr. Anthony Thanasayan reacted to the many calls and inquiries asking him about the truth of the post above. If Mr. Anthony had responded professionally to the inquiries, this post would hardly get any comments and shall soon be forgotten. It does not involve Ms. Medaline or anyone else. It’s strictly a problem arising out of Mr. Thanasayan’s poor communication skills. The fact that such a simple post can get blown out of proportion by his comments and receive such harsh criticism should be something his superiors and the people who elect him need to consider.
Focus 2:
Much have been said about the tip-off notice scaring people needlessly. But the truth is that animal lovers are facing secret fears DAILY regardless of the post above or not. And this fear is genuine, which is why Mr. Anthony’s comments and the tip-off got such a strong reaction. Malaysians who love animals do not even need a tip-off to get scared. They are already scared and angry!
Focus 3:
Animal lovers in Malaysia are scared and angry because local authorities and private dog catchers are quick to hunt down animals when they get a complain. But when animal lovers complain about the animal hunting and killing, they get the deaf ear, or worse, receive comments like Mr. Thanasayan’s. And this is also why we are here reacting strongly to his attitude. We have been fed-up all this while.
There are of course lots more to say, but that would not be the scope of this comment.
May justice guided by kindness and compassion become the norm in Malaysian society,
Chen
I honestly don’t see why Mr Thanasayan calls this alert a malicious lie out to defame the council. The alert is about a possible doghunt. Isn’t it the duty of the council to carry out doghunts as a public service to catch free roaming dogs? So why is this alert defamatory to the council?
Hi Lindsey, Maybe the council has decided not to carry out doghunts anymore? Now, that would be good news to everyone, wouldn’t it?
I have never participated in this blog before but tonight I can’t help myself but to say or respond for the 1st time in this blog. All these years I have been following AnimalCare & I have never seen such high activity here. Over night the rating has hit the ceiling but unfortunately the forum is not a very sweet & pleasant one. Names has been called, remarks has been made and allegation of which is uncall for. Dr. Chan has always been very open and careful with her writing. It is very obvious now that the tip-off has got truth in it with Guan Gong stepping out to verify it. Would you not believe that there is truth in it? He/she openly challenged you to leave your number so that he/she can show you the evidence.
The truth is out there.
The AnimalCare post was posted at 12.06am when most people was asleep. The post said it was a tip-off and we believe there was really a tip-off because the informer has come forward. The tweeter message by the councilor was sent out at 2.02pm labeling the post as a “vicious lie” spread by AnimalCare. Did the councilor check if AnimalCare was telling a lie? Now, we have the informer coming forward to say he tipped off AnimalCare about the doghunt, so there is NO LIE. I think an apology is in order if the councilor has any respect for himself. It’s ok to make a mistake, Mr Councilor. Just be big enough to admit it.
I would say there was no issue at all in the first place. An alert is just an alert. If I heard there was a water cut in my friends’ neighbourhood, I would alert them so that they could store up water before the cut. Will Syabas or the water company then accuse me in a tweet that I was spreading a “malicious lie out to defame the water company”!! Silly, right? I’m puzzled why Mr Councilor reacted so defensively to the alert. Then, Ms Pamela says dog-catching is not under them. Then why the big fuss and the tweet?
Was there any panic in PJ yesterday? What panic did this alert propagate?
Dear Dr Chan,
It’s commendable the way you handled this whole situation with patience, indulgence and dignity. All is not lost; at least there is a lesson to be learnt today.
It is true we may be the minority; those who work and cares for animals but we too have family and friends who do not support what we do BUT will not stand for any kind of gross injustice that befall be it humans or animals despite whatever political/non-political inclinations that we prescribed to. As Ghandhi righfuly said in the lines ;’a nation is judged by how IT treated its’ animals’ If you can’t be compassionate and kind to the down-trodden animals how are you going to be kind to fellow human beings?
Dear Mr/Ms Guan Gong thank you for the tip off; you did many pets owners and caregivers a great favour. We law abiding citizens and taxpayers will do our best to protect the animals under our care and honour the requirements and regulations of the respective councils where we reside and not be a nuisance to our neighbours.
Have a good day and many many better days ahead.
Thank you very much for everyone’s comments to this thread. I trust we have given enough time for everyone to voice their opinions regarding this issue. It’s time to move on now. There are many animals and animal caregivers who need help. Thank you.